Enough is Enough.....Or How Stupid Are We?

[Ron Hill]

It really started at the NASCAR race in Sonama when Laurie and I were shopping for wine in this "Up Scale" market....They advertised ORGANICALLY fed, "Air Cooled" chickens. Of course, these chickens were 2-3 bucks a pound more than just DEAD CHICKENS....

Two weeks ago, I go to lunch with my brother and my son Chad. They order burgers. I order a turkey burger. They get their lunch, eat and I wait. When the TURKEYBURGER came it looked more like fried oatmeal cookie and taste worse than an oatmeal cookie..

So, last week, we're at a fraternity reunion, in the hotel they have a bottle of SOLAR WATER. What the hell is Solar Water?

Then, in the shower they had ORGANIC SOAP. What the hell? You mix cow manure when you mix the soap.

But then I'm home, I go to have a bagel. The bagels are flatter than a Nun's chest. I call them bagel-less Bagels...A bagel isn't supposed to be as flat as a pancake, is it???

FYI:

A solar power boat is really powered by a battery. They charge the batter with a charger.....The solar energy comes to about 1/2 % of the power. The rest of the Solar Powered Boat is powered by petroleum fuel.

How much energy does a Prius batter use to be made? How much energy will it take to dispose of these batteries?

I thin Americans, in general, are really stupid!!! Solar Water!!!

[Master Oil Racing Team]

Well Ron....how do you think those battery powered cars are recharged at night? Not by solar panels. I guess somebody who works the night shift could use solar energy to recharge their electric car, but they're not very many available commercial solar companies, and those that exist can only keep their doors open with taxpayers footing the bill, and the lavish union pension retirement funds.

I once was looking at replacing our propane fueled forklift with an electric one. The salesman asked, do you use it only inside. no I told him. Do you work it all day long. No I said again. He told me that electric powered forklifts were made for working all day long in an enclosed environment where exhaust fumes could become a problem. He said "Believe me....you DO NOT want an electric forklift. In five or six years you will have to replace the batteries, and you have to replace all at the same time. That will cost more than half the price of the forklift. We kept our 50 year old propane powered forklift.

When the people that bought the electric cars at taxpayers expense find out how much it will cost to replace their batteries, they will be hollering for the politicians to give them cash for new batteries.

Everything I eat is organic. When I was just a young kid, every now and then I would eat some inorganic mud pies, but nowadays I only eat dirt in a dust storm on a drilling location. It's when the label shouts out that something is Organic that I shy away from it. In my opinion Organic means government bull$#!7 control and labeling. I guarantee that if the federal government could recieve $1.00 in tax per every cigarette sold, they would let the company advertise "Safe, Healthy Organic Cigarettes". Can you imagine Ron what Organic tofu must taste like?;)

BTW, I really do like solar water. It makes the grass and plants and vegetable grow better than city or well water. Solar water=rain!

[Mark75H]

That and the Chevy Volts are prone to catch FIRE ... just a minor problem ...:eek:

[bill boyes]

well,In my past life before I retired I was a big shot for a major airline. Not really a big shot but one of those guys that made things happen. We had many electric bag tugs and belt loaders. Of course they would not run 24/7 as they needed down time for charging. About every two years the lead acid battery needed to be replaced at about $4500 ea. Really no savings in operation cost but the airline would get big atta boy credits from the local airport stiffs.

[A/B Speedliner]

Sam
From what I have read there were two cases of a Volt catching on fire after an accident. This reminds me of the Ford Pinto and some other cars catching on fire after an accident.

David

PS I have no desire to own an electric car and later today I am off to Sebring for a test day with our Corvette. Last week at Daytona we had a great two days of testing.

[JohnsonM50]

It seems the most green thing about going green is green backed. :D would be :cool: if it started making sense like simple easily maintainable safe vehicles that get mileage. The modern Model T.... made here! Solar panels are fine for stationary direct use but batteries have a long way to go before they can be considered an answer for mobility.

[Mark75H]

I question the long term reliability of current solar systems for their payback dollar.

From what I understand they still do not have very high long term reliability numbers that people expect from domestic appliances.

If you have calculated a 30 year payback and the equipment only works reliably for 19 ... you are in the hole for 35%. Not only are the power generating cells themselves a little short, so are some other components like the inverters and some of the automated switching. One loose screw/connector out of 1,000 can ruin your budget.

Additionally ... pieces that fail will not just cost their material cost ... there will be labor costs as well.

[JohnsonM50]

From some that have this I hear good & bad, The Northeast isn't the best solar area for one. Locally tho solar installations are a fast growing industry. In my case a couple large oaks shade my roof in the summer & allow sunlight thru all winter. I wouldn't want to cut 'em for solar.

[F-12]

Let's look at this...........Initial cost, performance and distance able to travel, parts replacement costs, normal maintanence...................points, plugs, and condenser doesn't sound so bad now, do they.

[Gene East]

We all know how to do that don't we Charley?

The first new car I ever bought was a 1972 Ford LTD, loaded.

It cost $3,800.00. I could fix anything on it.

Oh, did I mention it was yellow with a black vinyl top?

Imagine that!

If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

[Master Oil Racing Team]

Have you noticed that all these green projects seem to be collapsing like a gigantic green hole after sucking in all the money the politicians can throw at them? You know why Spain is on the hook and on the verge of collapsing? The politicians placed all their money on the "green" economy under the false premise that it would create jobs. It cost two jobs for every one created due to the heavy subsidies and taxes it took to make it work. And....it doesn't work.

All the billions spent on green energy and there are very few jobs created. Depending upon the project, the green jobs from the stimulus have amounted to a hundred thousand to over half a million to create. Now they are falling by the wayside as Americans say no more throwing money down the hole in the outhouse.

Nobody wants to buy the Chevy Volt because you can't go anywhere. I would love for a reporter to stick a mike in Yogi Berra's face and ask him if he would like to have a Chevy Volt. His answer would be priceless. Soon there will be hearings on a possible coverup of the serious problems with the Volt. Us taxpayers footed the R&D on the Volt, and when they finally rolled off the production lines, few people were interested. To get people to buy them, we (us taxpayers) have to back GM in a program where they give buyers a $7,500 tax credit to buy one.

Does it seem coincedental to only me that all the green energy companies that are going bankrupt are big financial donors of Obama? The biggest green company in the world that is still profitable is Obama's buddy Jeffery Immelt who runs GE. He is in charge of business development in America even though he is shipping all GE's manufacturing to China. Founder of GE Thomas Edison, has had his invention of the light bulb canned, and GE gets all the government contracts to refit the whole third world with the poisonous compact flourescent bulbs. Amazing the energy giant GE which is into all kinds of solar (made in China) panels, CFB (made in China), wind turbines (made in China) for wind farms is still making enough healthy profit to funnel lots of dough the the Obama political machine (pay to play---made in Chicago). Oh......I forgot! They made in excess of five billion last year, much of it government contracts, but for some reason....they did not pay one red cent in taxes. Oops...maybe I should have said blue cent, that's the color the media calls Democrats because Republican red is the color of communism. Or better yet...green cent. That's the color communists hide behind these days.

[Mark75H]

Red is a reference to the pennies being debased ... copper has a orange-ish color, not pink. The pink color of new pennies comes from the zinc and tin used to reduce the amount of copper in them. It was reduced again a couple years ago.