Check Out Our 380 Ray Laser

[Ron Hill]

Pat Bowman has been working 24-7 trying to get his LASER ready for Bakerfield, March 3-4, 2007...Nostalgia...

I found this ad....1980 Laser...


ADD; Brian Tharp tells me, he and a "FRIEND" form Oklahoma City have a Laser that the plan to run a The Blue Water Resort and Casino 300 this October, 2007......Hey you "SOONERS"...I bought this Laser because it was CHEAP!!!! Well, maybe, that ain't true!! See you at Parker!!!

[Code Blue Racing]

Pat Bowman has been working 24-7 trying to get his LASER ready for Bakerfield, March 3-4, 2007...Nostalgia...

I found this ad....1980 Laser...


ADD; Brian Tharp tells me, he and a "FRIEND" form Oklahoma City have a Laser that the plan to run a The Blue Water Resort and Casino 300 this October, 2007......Hey you "SOONERS"...I bought this Laser because it was CHEAP!!!! Well, maybe, that ain't true!! See you at Parker!!!

What is that thing ?
I know it is not a inboard !
Why is there a pick of my Weedeater in the inboard section ?

[Ron Hill]

For the time being, Nostalgia Endurance is also OUTBOARD...By Parker, April 23-24, 2007, I figure those INBOARDS (FEMALES) will decide the OUTBOARDS (MALES)...(That is how a local bar tells which head to head for...) will need their own class... As our OUTBOARDS will go zero to 80 quicker than you can say, "JACK THE BEAR"...Not to mention the fact that OUTBOARDS are like the Energizer Battery...they just go, go, go...

That is, if we get the motor put together, as of "DARK 30 TODAY", we have Pistons, with needles, on the rods... Block honed...Fuel pump missing...Mid section mounted...Gearcase being assembled by Mickey at Apple Valley Marine...Tank is in, speedo and tach are mounted....

We still have five days to finish our LASER...

[Miss BK]

FYI - The man driving the Laser is my father-in-law, Louis Collins.

[Ron Hill]

Who, who used to race Parker, is going to run a Laser, at Parker, with Brian Tharp from Boat City Prop Shop????

Is that Louis???


Fastest boat at Havasu....Did it win??? What year did Joe Burgess drive a Laser at Havasu???

[Ron Hill]

Same driver, but different boat...

[fyremanbill]

Hey Ron, you need to borrow a lower unit for the Laser? I've got one that's ready to run.

[Ron Hill]

Mickey, at Apple Valley Marine, is going to get us a gearcase....One of thoes deals where you take adrivshaft from one, set of gears from another and a pro shaft form another...five cases, one gearcase....

ADD; There ain't anything Mickey can't do, just needs the right PARTS!!!!

You going to mkae Bakersfield this weekend??

Ron

[fyremanbill]

No. Too much time spent at work and not enough on the boat. How many outboard nostalgia outboards will be there?

[Bill Gohr]

I loved that boat, You couldn't do anything wrong in it, This is a nostalgia baot??? You're making me feel old................

[Ron Hill]

I hope Mr. (Bill) Gohr is right as Pat will be out there with about ten other boats, running ten laps, trying not to go over 80....Just ask your self, self? How long have I been playing with boats???

John Lane is SUPPOSED to have his Sleek Craft....So, Pat and John will be the only two "WACKERS"...

[BStellyman]

Ron,

Its great that the outboards are coming out, personally I go both ways, my race boat a inboard, my pleasure boat a outboard. Anyway, I must say my only real concern with the outboards is the rumor I have been hearing about how some may disregard the speed limit rules just to say they beat the inboards. Just a rumor I hope, although I did here those exact words come from an outboard drivers mouth. Just a reminder to all, inboard or outboard, the speed limit is 80mph!! If your GPS (must have) reads 80.9 or less you are legal, if it reads between 81.0 and 84.9 you are penalized 1 lap, if it reads over 85.0 or over, you will be disqualified and asked to sit on the beach for the remainder of the weekend, no refund. Break the 85.0 again at your next race, you will no longer be allowed in Nostalgia. We are a serious class, with guys running for points and championships, we do not need a driver on the course with us that has no regards for the rules. Not only can it make this sport even more dangerous, but it makes the racing look very bad for the spectators. OK, I will get off my soapbox now until lane choice time after drivers meeting, then I will repeat myself.

Brad Stellman.
Rhino Boys Racing
Nostalgia Flat #718

[Ron Hill]

I only know of four Outboards:

1. John Lane (Raced Thanksgiving at Parker)
2. Pat Bowman
3. Bill James (frymanbill, here on BRF)
4. Sid Castle (Vishus, here in BRF...) (Phoenix)

I know all four really just want to be "PART OF THE SHOW"... They know the rules, will have their GPS....They plan to follow ALL the rules..

I'v just been stiring things up, a little, but all four seem happy as hell to have a place to race their boats...They will be GENTLEMEN drivers, all!

[fyremanbill]

Hell Stelly, the fun's in beating you guys legally:D
I don't intend to break out...can't win that way. I think everyone's on the same page, just go out and have fun safely, and within the rules.

[Ron Hill]

Pat is working on getting "OLD SCHOOL" (That's the boat's name) ready...


Here is a picture and a few spare parts....(If it wasn't for the last minute, we'd never get ready)!!!!

[Bill Gohr]

Thats the first boat you ever talked about as being "nostalgic" and I owned one. So if this is a nostalgia class and I could locate my old 380, could I run it the way it was run back in the day, just to make it "correct"? It just had some old crossflow on it, it couldn't go that fast............79.7, 79.8 or so

[tthibodaux]

Dang those old RUDES are sweet.:D

[Ron Hill]

Well, I got up at 7;30 and checked my e-mails....and had none!!!!


Well I now have a new new mail prop19@cox.net and ronhill@hillmarine.com


Seems, that by moving to Tustin, I must use COX.....so, when my SBC and AT&T account from Santa Ana was closed at mid night last night...I no longer had e-mail from SBC or AT&T...

2 1/2 hours later I have a new E-Mail account...I have a Pay Pay account and E-Bay.....

What I wanted to tel Bill and the World is this:

I'd like to think my mind works pretty fast and my mouth works faster, as I usually finish your sentences.... But it took ME THREE YEARS to UNDERSTAND what Nostaligia racing really is....and that is "BRACKET RACING".


There are less than 200 Professional Drag Racers anymore but there are more than a hundred thousand "BRACKET" racers....

Nostaglia Racers TRY to average 80 MPH. They don't need a RADICAL PROP, RADICAL SET UP....They have to learn to drive under 80...

I once ran the Parker 7 hour in MOD VP...My engine would turn 65-6700 anytime, but I knew the rings liked 6,250, so all day I fought with myself to run 6,250....or try to catch the leaders...I finished 3rd......

A controlled race...Looking back, that was the MOST FUN I EVER had racing...AS I raced MYSELF CONTROL and the Other boats...

I see Nostalgia BECOMING VERY BIG in Drags, and Circle...and My IDEA of PRO-AM Nostaglia.

Pro-Am Nostaglia would be this:

1. You can sign as a Pro or an Am...What makes a PRO is 90 MPH, what makes an Am is 80...

2. Same Boat, two drivers....Four Heats... Total your points

3. First Heat is Am.
4. Second Heat is Pro
5. Third Heat Am
6. Fourth heat Pro


Might be a soring nightmare....might be able to race Pro-Am at every race....But it could be a way of getting new people into our sport...

Might Run Pro-Am at Family Drags, once APBA approves them!!! (110 MPH Speed Limit on family Drags with GPS)..

Nostaglia Racing is a GENTLEMAN's Sport!!!! (We plan on racing this year and next and the next...)...

[vishus]

Bill,

how did the ALLISON "behind" the LASER RUN? how did Allison do in MODVP? I know they run well in the drags, I don't remember reading about them like I did the STVs and Stokers...


thx.sid

[Ron Hill]

Anyone wonder why we call our Laser "Old School"???



I don't remember Billy Paulk, except for the name...But Joe Burgess was a GREAT driver....A major loss to Boat Racing when he lost his life in a tunnel boat, St. Louis, Missouri...

[Ron Hill]

I had an eye doctor appointment today in Fullerton. Yesterday, Bill James was at Apple Valley Marine and called me and asked if I wanted him to bring our gearcase down the hill (100 miles)....I said sure. He said he'd be in Brea today. As it turned out my doctor's appointment was five minutes from where Bill "WORKS"...I put that in QUOTES because that Brea Fire Department is BEAUTIFUL....

Sorry you won't be racing this weekend.....I think we'll make it in our "OLD SCHOOL" Laser....Saving me 200 miles of driving was quite "COOL"...

Pat and I spent the time trying to assembly and mid section...I should been a brain sturgeon.....

[fyremanbill]

Hope everything goes well this weekend. If I ever leave here, maybe I can put the boat back together and get to a race.

[Dkerns]

here are some pictures of the laser in progress
and bringing it hoem from Williams AZ in the snow!!!

[Bill Gohr]

Allison vs. Lazer, well unfortunately, the Ally would crush the Lazer in a short distance, the Lazer having the 6 carb motor would come on strong at the end but the race was over, the Lazer had a couple mph on the top, like 2, but I attribute that to the motor, the Ally had a 3 carb motor, I think the Ally would have still been faster if the engines were the same, the ally has much less frontal area and cut the wind better. Although, that Lazer beat ALOT of 2.5 EFI engines with that old 3 carb 2.6 on it. Doesn't matter, I loved them both..............

[Ron Hill]

There were some other pictures of Pat Bowman's Laser, from Parker.... But I wanted everyone to see the semi completed project.


12 Nostalgia Endurances at Parker. Pat managed a third Overall for the two days of racing. He was the only Outboard running in the class.


We had a little SNAFU with our gas line on Saturday, and lucky for us a Cracker Box racer....Ward.......Can't think of his name...told us our line from the tank to the fuel pump was sucking shut...He was right.

Wild looking ride. Pat did an outsttanding job of driving...

Hmm, not sure what part of the boat that first picture is...

[Ron Hill]

http://www.boatracingfacts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5407&page=3

Pat did a great job driving "OUR LASER" but........We need a lot of set up help, yet....or we need a STOKER!!!!!

Laser Guru's help me to not turn this into a SKI BOAT....................on Tuna fisher!!!!!

Louis Collin, Bill Gohr where are you when we need you?? Chris Bush??? I bought this "SUCKER" because Chris Bush said she'd turn on a dime and go 80.....Well, maybe, that's what she does....Kind of like a "ROLL 280 Air Conditioner. You know, roll down two windows and do 80...Few people could have stayed with this boat for 300 miles....

Great job, Pat....BUT, I am a man that knows when he's "LICKED" (WRONG as in incorrect)....Back...Maximus... (Go after Tony, he's in Vagas for the NHRA Drags!!!)....Leave me alone!

We need "MORE JELLO" to quote Craig Selvildge....

[steve sr.]

Ron after talking to you at Apple Valley Marine the other day I got to thinking about the Patrol Boat situation. If you can put togeather the boats I think I might be able to put togeather the crews (retired cops and fireman) I know a bunch that would like to get involved.

Steve Sr.
647/918 Crew
The Big "BLUE BRICK"

[Dabull1919]

Ron, You need to set that motor back 12inches minimum for marathon races where you carry a load of gas. You`ll use less trim and gain more handleing with at least 5mph more. We ran our`s 18inches back with a stock 1986 225 Yamaha Excell. Our minimum weight was 1800lbs with no fuel in the boat and two people with gear. When we loaded the boat with 72 gallons of gas for the Mississippi Marathon race we could radar 92mph and did it for 500 miles of mostly flat water with ocational tow boat traffic. We also ran the same set up in all of the other marathon races with The Outlaws On Water ***. with the shortest race being 150 miles on short 5 mile ovals where the water got pretty rough and never had a transom problem.

DB

[Ron Hill]

I was coming home from the BAR . tonight, (I met my optometrist there)...seems, I explained to her, that when I go there my vision gets bad....she vowed to help me!!!! Anyway, I was thinking that with Pat Bowman ADMITTING to weighing 300 pounds, that MAYBE, he weighed more...and having that weight up toward the bow, may effect the handling...

I was thinking "SET BACK" and I get on here and you are says set her back a foot....I agree...Question: Does the transon angle matter?? The reason I ask, I often thought that the bigger transom angle was really like just more set back. I know the first two boats my dad and I build had a MAJOR transom angle, but then my dad said, "It is too much trouble to build those big angles." And we went with 15 degrees but set the motor back 2 to 4 inches which was a TON in those days...


I was looking at the Laser's transom, and thinking if I went back 12 inches at the top of the transom and 14 at the bottom, we should not have to trim so much....

But I understand your thinking of getting the weight back and with BIG PAT'S BODY, maybe 14 inches would be better...

92??? GPS??? We never broke 80 MPH...260 HP, 106 on the EFI box, 40 CC heads...28 Offshore prop...pump gas! just and FYI!

I think we should drop the CC's on the head, but didn't want to go to race gas!

Thanks for the advice..."OLD SCHOOL" may live to race again!!!

[Dabull1919]

The test was about quick reply. Didn`t work.

Here`s our numbers. 1.80 gear, 29 pitch prop, 6700rpm`s (rev limiter unplugged), 10& slipp. The prop calculator backs up our Stalker and Keller.
Chuck Goodman at Hydro Dynamics is a very old friend and did all prop and jackplate work and rode in the back seat during all testing. Prop was worked for as much tail lift as possible.

I raced in the Parker enduro only once and loved it. I`m comming to the 08 race with or without a boat. I can`t stand it any longer.
Thank you Ron and everyone else for bringing this race back.

DB

[Barry Strawn]

The problem with adding setback is the lower unit height rule. 12" back with the same height in relation to the bottom will result in lot more lower unit pushing water.

I would try moving the driver back a foot or three:) and get the engine as close the transom as possible. Nothing I saw in the current rules prevents that.

Barry

[Dabull1919]

We didn`t have an engine hight rule but if you do then thats a shame. These boats handle so much better with the motor back and up.

DB

[bowman]

Well the diriver me yes weighed 300 but is now closer to 275 (getting back to working insted of racing will take the weight off) I plan on giving it one more try but i think the real problem is that we may not be pulling all the RPM we need. As you can see in the pictures of the boat it caries good in smooth water and for the most part handles great now. The real problem is that boat shoud go 90 and i can only make it do 80. I think we just need to test and test. I dont know if setting the motor back will do so much, as you know that thing already has a built in set back with a 4" plate on it now. I dont know we will just have to go drive it and find out. I think we need to play with the engine to get it at peak then go after the boat.

has anyone heard of puting a pad on the bottom of that hull to help with the chine walking. I think maybe a flat pad on the bottom in the back may help and get a few more MPH out if it keeps from rocking. As many of you old vbottom racer remember that the rocing is characterisic of a vbottom but i want to try to keep it to a min.

let me know what you think

[steve sr.]

If your talking about a delta we ran one on the back of a 20' Howard in the early 80's. Dick Sherrer put it on and as I recall it ran about 4' up the bottom from the transom and vee'd out to 10-12" at the transom. On that boat we ran one of Dick's hot rod 200's. The plug started life as a Schiada Jet boat.

It worked good for us in ski racing, but you had to have an animal for a skier because when it lifted onto the pad it took of like it had been shot out of a cannon. I don't what area you live in but there are a few good glass guys still around that could build it for you.

I can tell you this much there was no walking once it got up onto the pad and it was a real thrill ride when it lifted. We did some amazing things with it at Lake Mead in the marathon races and then again at Clear Lake for the nationals. It also handled rough water pretty good, but you always felt like you were on the edge

Steve Sr.
647/918
THE BIG BLUE BRICK

[647and918]

If your talking about a delta we ran one on the back of a 20' Howard in the early 80's. Dick Sherrer put it on and as I recall it ran about 4' up the bottom from the transom and vee'd out to 10-12" at the transom. On that boat we ran one of Dick's hot rod 200's. The plug started life as a Schiada Jet boat.

It worked good for us in ski racing, but you had to have an animal for a skier because when it lifted onto the pad it took of like it had been shot out of a cannon. I don't what area you live in but there are a few good glass guys still around that could build it for you.

I can tell you this much there was no walking once it got up onto the pad and it was a real thrill ride when it lifted. We did some amazing things with it at Lake Mead in the marathon races and then again at Clear Lake for the nationals. It also handled rough water pretty good, but you always felt like you were on the edge

Steve Sr.
647/918
THE BIG BLUE BRICK

Not too bad a memory for an old guy... :D Seems to me it was about 12" wide as well, and stood about 1"-1.5" or so off the bottom on each side...

Ahhhhh... I have fond memories of the first time it lifted for me... Kind of like: "Holy sh... What the hell just happened???" or something similar! Somewhere in the 80's it lifted onto the pad and ended up at about 93 (I think) according to the speedo on the Cask 'n' Cleaver boat... I'm not sure how accurate that was, but it seems pretty close... I also remember it being pretty stable (course the juevos were less prone to shrinkage 20 years ago, so I may just be trying to convince myself)... :rolleyes:

I'm not sure how the rules would treat it though... It's no longer a "true vee" if you do it...

[Dabull1919]

Bowman, What i`m telling you about setback is not just opinion. It all comes from actual
experiance in marathon racing. However, I don`t think setback is your problem. Didn`t i read where your running a 260? That motor should easley put you in the 90`s even if the motor was on the transom. Something is bad wrong and it ain`t the pad. Before we went marathon racing with our 380 Laser we raced it in sprint racing on 1 1/4 mile tracks with a mildly modified 2.4 merc and no jack plate. With a 28pitch Hoss it ran about 90 with a stock pad. Roark would say to leave the pad alone. What kind of rpm`s are you turning and how high are you running the motor. Remember, That motor likes to turn rpm`s in the mid to high 7,000 range. With that motor on that boat and with the right set up you should be in the mid 90`s.

DB

[T-REX]

Dang Bull.....Less thro a 2liter on My 380 and go do tha Parker thang....Sounds like a blast!!...Or yo 380, which ever...I thank tha 380 would be tha ticket for tha type ov water that will be...Corse. it will sholy feel strange runn'in 300miles instead ov 300'...:eek::D

[Dabull1919]

Yep, I think your right Mike. Don`t know bout the 2 liter tho. I`ve been studing the new rules and we would have ta be real fast or real slow with the 380 ta have a shot. May have ta use my 3 liter. I also have the 2.5 drag but all i got for a mid is a 12inch.
I`m still studing.

DB

[Ron Hill]

Pat has been busy with work, and I've been working SLOWLY on oUR LASER 380 Ray...I talked to Chris Bush, today, he's the one that got me to buy the 380...He likes set backs...

Would you guys run the same set back with a 2.0 liter as with a 2.5?

I took our six inch set back off and gave it to Greg Foster, Tinker Collinge and I plan to make a 10 to 12 inch set back, but was wondering if I should go back farther with the 2.0??

Help?

Hope uou guys come to the Blue Water Resort and Casino 300 Enduro. I'm sure you'll have a great time!!!

That is GREG FOSTER in the white truck..."Snooping" on Rod Zapf and me...

[Dabull1919]

My findings have been like that old saying "the more the better". Like i`ve said before, On my 380 comp w/225 yammi excell and a minimum weight of 1800lbs with no gas in the boat our radar and keller said 92mph empty and 90 with a full load (75gal) of gas. We had the motor set back 18inches and a completely stock lower. There were no engine hight rules and blowout was not a problem. We led the Jessi Brent marathon race on the Mississippi river untill we hit a log and dropped to 4th. After a prop change we made it back to 2nd and thats where we finnished. First place boat was an Allison XR2002 with the same motor so i didn`t feel to bad.
Bottom line is that the 380 WILL run and carry weight well. Just set the motor back and test.

DB

[T-REX]

I run 20" ov set back when I run Lake racer wit my 380, 1850#s wit a 200, 2.5...It wuz quick, but lack'd the top end the drag mota's had...Wit 20"s(and I'm including built in set back) it wuz very easy to drive, and run with a lower attitude...I also hav a modified pad on my 380 that made a world ov differnce in handling...The only drawback I see to set back iz the "One inch below the pad" rule!!!...If U run 12" set back with the mota 1" below the pad, I thank tha drag will cull out the binifit ov the setback...But thats just a quess rite now....

Az for the 2liter, I will be testing a mota that iz built for the endurance 300, and I will be test'in it on my 380, and it iz heavier than allowed in tha rules, so it will give an ideer ov the MPH it iz capible ov...I feel tha 2liter will be more likely to FINISH the race than a drag mota!!...But thats juss me!!...If tha 2liter runs 70+ on my heavy 380, it's a shoe in on a 1300# boat!!...Ov corse, thats juss my unprofessional opinion....

But what could be a more purfekt race...a Laser, powered by a 2liter!!!...They are both tuff enuff to last tha duration, and I thank tha 2liter haz enuff grunt to take care ov bussiness...:D

[Dabull1919]

Ole grand lizzard your right about the set back maybe not workin with the hight rule. Thats why i mentioned in my last post that we had no hight rule with the 18inch jack plate. Now when we got the Laser (in 1984) we run the mota on the transom. It was a mildly modified 2.4 and handled like a cupcake. Speed was in the low 90`s with lots of punch off the bouy`s. Still studing but that 2liter class is lookin good!

DB

[vishus]

I think a 2.0 on an ALLY may be a better combo than the Laser...:rolleyes:

[Dabull1919]

Thats why they make chockolet and vanella ice cream and fords and chevys.
To each his own. I do like the sound of an XR2002 with a 2 liter.

DB

[T-REX]

Oh, it'z a 500HP 2liter wit 300drag pistons, carillo rods, tytanium crank, billet reed cages wit special "Enduro" reeds, stuff'd/flow'd/double X-drill'd hirise manifold, wit 6, 1- 5/16" venturi makuni carbs, special 300# comp hedz, oring'd and special cut combchamber to run 87 octain gas:eek::D

Tha mota will prolly have to be de-tuned to fit tha capibilities ov a HST wit a 90 yeer ole driver....May have to send it to Bill Ghor, he kan effortlessly take out 200HP ov any mota:D....


I think a 2.0 on an ALLY may be a better combo than the Laser...

That sounds like a anuther player in tha game!!...XR2002 and a 380 at tha same weight and HP....would be a good match up I would thank...but then I kinna pregidus:D

[Barry Strawn]

Wouldn't an LTV be ideal for this?

[T-REX]

I would much ruther be in a 380 in choppy conditions, than a LTV...specially for any time!!...But datz juss me........But then my 26' lyman would be tha better ov them all!!:D

[T-REX]

Damm Ron.....Did dat lil 2liter skeer ya??:D:D.....

[Ron Hill]

Unlike YOU, I scare easy anymore....in factr, I've really always been a little CHICKEN....Think I'll find me a V-4 and run Division I.....

[Bunker Hill]

wow!!!!! that sh@* is un readable!!

[Ron Hill]

Thos BY-U-Boys got their own language...Just never bet much money A GIN THEM....Trust me, Bunker.....They may talk funny, but BET WITH THEM!!! Especially, T-Rex....Be on his side and you WIN...Kind of like Boss Hog.....and the General Lee...era.

[Dabull1919]

Comeon now Bunker. You must be edjukated on a higher grade level than us By-U-Boyz.
Ole Rexy taught us all how ta speek-n-spell. Come on over to the Byou sometime.

DB

[T-REX]

Gollleeeee Bunker......I wuz juss make'in yo brane smarter!!!....I juss read(Yea, I kan actually reed) dat if'in ya make ya brane do other than tha normal, everday stuff, it will stay young longer, and lower ya chances ov sinility.....

Ron, Juss mess'in wit ya....Ya kan't tell what kard's ya hold'in fo ya show ya hand!!...I leern'd dat from Kenny Rogers!!:D


.....They may talk funny, but BET WITH THEM!!! Especially, T-Rex....Be on his side and you WIN...Kind of like Boss Hog.....and the General Lee...era.

Now Datz funny rat der...don't keer who ya R!!

Ron, I hate ta break tha new'z to ya, but I been race'in sumpth'in, all my life, and I kan count tha wins on one hand(and have several fangers leff over!!:D)...But I do like ya way ov thank'in:D

[T-REX]

Hey Bull.......git tha ole BULL out an shine'd up.....Boat haz to weigh 1250#(dry weight)....Not count'in driver or fuel.....

I'll build tha mota, and save up sum money for a trip....U in??

I am gitt'in excited bout this race...an I'm too ole fer many thangz to excite me(well, witout tit's anyway:D).....call me..

Joe Harvath say'd he wuz in for tha trip, and drive'in chores...we kan split tha exspenses!!

[Dabull1919]

Me you and Joe! Looks like my mind has been made up for me. Ok, I`ll get ta werk.
"The Bull" rides again. Whats next, Hoola-Hoops?

DB

[fyremanbill]

Let us know if we can help with anything on this end. Would be great to have you come out.

[T-REX]

Let us know if we can help with anything on this end.

Hell yea, drop fuel prices, feed us for a week, put us up in tha Hilton(not paris hilton).....Awe hell, Paris will do...I'll be asleep fo I reelize how stupid she reely iz!!......:D:D

[Dabull1919]

Ron, What size fuel tank did you run in your Laser for the 300? We`re gonna run a 2 liter with three drivers so i`m figurin a 30 gallon tank would be enough. Whatcha think?

DB

[wing nut]

a 2.0L runs about 80-83mph on my boat (light). a 260 should SCREAM!!

scott

[Ted March]

Hey Scott,

You thinking of making the trip? Put a big tank in there and go play with the boys. It wouldn't be the first time for that 380 of yours.

[fyremanbill]

DB, if you run like we did, you'll turn about a 4min lap. With 60 laps, thats 4 hours. Two pit stops = 3 driving segments for your 3 drivers. That's 1hr and 20min each. Your engine will burn about 20-22 gallons/hr. That means you'll burn somewhere around 26.5 to 29.5 per driving segment. 30 gallons is really cutting it close.

[Dabull1919]

Maybe i need ta think bigger.

DB

[fyremanbill]

It'll ruin your day if you run out of fuel, or suck a bunch of air and starve the top carb.

[Dabull1919]

It'll ruin your day if you run out of fuel, or suck a bunch of air and starve the top carb.


Yep, Did that at Havasu once when the tank broke. Had ta sit and watch from the middle of the track.

DB

[Ron Hill]

Keep in mind everyone has two, mandatory 10 minute pit stops.....So, in a sixy lap race, 20-20 and 20 is about what you should be a planning...

[steve sr.]

If you got a spare boat we got a spare driver, we may have 3 spare drivers if we con't get a prop to run. That two blader we showed you at parker causes a slight vibration and seems to bring the power down. When you going back over to Az with some props in hand so we can try some out? The boat will likely be over this way in early May so maybe I could swing by and grab a couple for a few days to try them out. (26/4 and a 28/3) We need something to raise up the rear end a little, or a 2 liter and run div 2 with a weight handycap. Thats probably one of the heaviest boats Stoker ever layed up and with that V 8 on the back its never going to see 95mph. Anyone got a cheap race boat they wanta sell (real cheap).

[Dago Fast]

How many nostalgia's can we expect at the October Isleton race?

[wing nut]

Hey Scott,

You thinking of making the trip? Put a big tank in there and go play with the boys. It wouldn't be the first time for that 380 of yours.


"thinking" is probably as far as im going to get haha. i just started a new job, so taking a week off isnt going to work out:( i think my boat was pretty much MADE for this kind of thing.

one year i'll make it down there... next year i get vaca. time so maybeee:p


scott

[T-REX]

i think my boat was pretty much MADE for this kind of thing.



Scott, datz exzakkly what dat bote wuz made for!!!

If ya juss kan't make it, we SLR's (Southern Laser Racers) have ya back!!!....:D

Wish ya coulda made it.....If this thang goes off like I thank it will, maybe we kan have sum closer to home!!

[T-REX]

BEWARE BOYZ............ever time theze castiron shave'in'z hit tha floor...HP JUSS BE ROLL'IN OUT DIS YHER 2LITER!!!!:eek::D:D

Howz tha Laser kumm'in gentz????.....

Ya'll juss too quiet fer ta be up to any good!!!

[Ron Hill]

We seem to have more ideas that TIME...We've been thinking about the LASER...and we've been thinking about the Laser.....When all has been said and done, much has been said, and little has been done....

We BE COOLING OUR HEELS RIGHT NOW...

[Ron Hill]

Troy Herbst and Richie Hudson have do a lot of work on the Laser.

The Terrible Herbst Lakeland Marine sponsored rig looks great.
That 15 inch mid section is the "BOMB"...

[Ron Hill]

How are you figuring 18" of set back....From the transom or the keel (at the transom)....???

Seems we may have had the weight too far forward (That was with 300 pound Pat Bowman)....and then maybe we had the weight back too far for Richie and Troy!!!


BECAUSE the boat would start to go fast, then take off like airplane, then land very hard and somewhat crazy.......

I call this 6" set back!

[Dabull1919]

With your driver being 300lbs that is NOT enough set back. I saw pictures of that boat in the parker race and the motor always looked oner trimmed to me. We ran 18inches from the transom. Yea i know it sounds like alot and it looked kinda strange but it worked. We ran a 1/2inch stainless cable atached to each side of the jack plate and through the transom down to turn buckles mounted to the stringers to support the transom with all that set back. It worked as we ran this set up all year in some really bad rough water. Our shortest race was 300 miles. Longest was 500 on the Mississippi. It was a true test for our set up and the transom stayed put.
Keep in mind that the more you set the motor back the less trim you need for bow lift so with the motor at more of a level attitude you will get more transom lift out of the prop. This is the only way we could make a 1800 pound V bottom loaded with an additional 500lbs of gas (75gal) to run 92mph on radar. I don`t know where the prop shaft was in relation to the bottom but we were running a totaly stock gear case so this should fall right in with ya`lls limited engine hight rule.
In the really nasty stuff i would trim the motor down just a little and let the stern lifting prop work for me.

DB

[Ron Hill]

I have someone interested in racing Our Laser at Parker, and he wants to run a Yamaha.....In 300 miles, will the Yammie be there at the end????

[Dabull1919]

Ours was the toughest motor i ever ran. I don`t know what Yamaha ya`ll want to run but we ran our Excel 6700 for many hrs a race and we never so much as pulled the heads all year long.

When i was driving for Louis Collins he had a Yamaha (just like our Excel on the 380) and it performed just the same only faster on the lighter Mod-VP Mirage. The only time it had a problem was at a Parker race and some Yamaha factory guy insisted that we get down. Louis didn`t want to because the motor was running perfect spinning a 30 pitch/1.80 gear 6700rpm and no so much as a hickup but the powerhead was supplied by Yamaha and it wasn`t our call. It made it only one hour before it roasted. TO LEAN!!! And of coarse the Yamaha guy couldn`t be found after that.
Lesson learned, Leave the factory jets in it.

DB

[Dabull1919]

OK Ron, You got me all fired up talking about the 380 so i reread this intire thread and realized that i may have the winning boat for the 2 liter class at Parker this year so i called up ole T-Rex and told him to save up for it and i would too.

I have an Allison XR-2002 comp that i`m gonna drag race this year but just a quick motor and fuel tank change when the time comes and presto, It becomes a Parker river racer.

T-`rex is gonna build us a 2 liter powerhead and i have a 15 inch mid and lu. Now all we need is some sponsor money and we`ll be there.

I`ll post some pics when i find them.

DB

[Dabull1919]

Here ya go.

41487 41488

[Ron Hill]

Vee Bottom Outboard start at the same time as the the 2.0 MOD VP (COR BOATS)...

Vee Bottoms have four rules. props shaft must be no higher than even with the bottom, ANY OUTBOARD,, NO NITROS, VEE Bottom. They car call Division IV

2.0 on MOD VP Boats are Division III, must be 2.0 liter, 2" below the bottom with the propshaft, and 1,550 boat, motor and driver. Gas included at the end of the race)...

[Dabull1919]

Now thats interesting indeed. I wasn`t aware of the Vee Bottom Outboard class. I like the engine hight rule. Thats something to think about. A 260, Drag/S-3000 or just a modified 2.5 steel bore motor. I`ll talk with T-Rex and see what he wants to do but i like this class.

What class does Al Stoker run?

There should be a lot of lake boats in this class huh?

DB

[Dabull1919]

Ron, This is my 380 at the end of the Mississippi River 500 mile race. Maybe you can see the set back. Plenty of stern lift.


41506

[Ron Hill]

Did Bobby Kitchens run this event? Bobby owned several trucking companies....

You make me think my 380 Laser has hope...Maybe we should run it with two in the boat...(One to drive and one to yell, "Look out"... LOL!

Boat racing walys more fun with two in the boat!!

[Dabull1919]

Yes he did. Hung out with him and his crew for years. Even drove for him in one of

the 500 mile river races. He had a 20ft Baker Vee bottom with a 225 Evinrude looper. Gas tank split

about 150 miles into the race. Seems that has happened to me more than once with aluminum tanks.

Plastic tanks only for me.

I called to talk to him about two days before he died but he was to weak to talk so his family gave him

my message. He was a great guy. Always had a "can do" attitude. He even called me from prison

(tax crap) just to bull s--t. He told me waht he was going to do (boat racing wise) when he got out and he

did it.

DB

[Ron Hill]

Jerry Baker hadn't built a Vee Bottom since the early Bowden-Stoker days. Bobby would come to town, in the winter, with a MAJOR roll of cash, and we'd go buy new boats. one year he said he needed a Vee Bottom for this MISSISSIPPI RIVER Race. I told him I thought the Baker would be what he needed. So, he ordered one, we had a hard time finding the mold...Pretty sure it is long gone now. Sea-Way Marine Jake, has Stoker's old Baker Vee Bottom in Seattle.

Bobby's truck frequently hauled Second Efforts Boats to the V-8 Formula One races. That is how Bobby got the Second Effort V-6 looper.

I called Bobby a few days after he'd died. Didn't know he had been ill.

His "CAN DO" thinking plus his other thoughts and sayings makes him one of the CRAZIEST guys I ever knew...Loved that Bobby like a brother, I did!

[Dabull1919]

One quick Bobby Kitchens story. Bobby K had a personal helper who was black and Bobby K called him blackberry. I never knew his real name. Blackberry happened to be very, very good at golf, A game Bobby K loved. Bobby K would bet other men that they couldn`t beat blackberry (his caddy) just like in the movie "tin cup" but long before it came out. Bobby K won a lot of money like that.

We need a Bobby Kitchens thread so as to stop jumping on this one.

DB

[Ron Hill]

Bill Boyes and I looked booby up on our way to Lousyana for the Winter Nationals a few years back... I wrote down several "Bobby Kitchen's" quotes...He probably had a million of them...

Bobby probably loved golf more than boat racing...

He bought this Eliminator from me one year, a race boat with no numbers...cash of course...About a year later some Ranger calls me want want to know if I was missing an Eliminator 19 Daytona as a guy named Bobby Kitchens had an Eliminator with my name on it, but the REGISTRATION said, "Ranger"...

I said I sold Bobby that boat and it was considered a TOTAL LOSS...He may have made it into a bass boat...but, trust me, it ain't stolen...and this was before he got that "FREE": Vacation in Florida...paid for by our taxes...

[Dabull1919]

Bobby and i were sitting on a boat trailer at a race somewhere in Mississippi and a rather heafty lady walked by with pants on about three sizes to small and Bobby looked at me and said " You just cain`t pour five pounds of mud into a three pound bucket"!! Bobby Kitchens always had an eye for the ladies.

DB

[vrunner79]

[QUOTE=Ron Hill;34214]There were some other pictures of Pat Bowman's Laser, from Parker.... But I wanted everyone to see the semi completed project.


How much this boat should weight..?
no engine, or any rigging..

bringin to life a boat graveyard rescued laser, and need some info

any mod for the pad or tips welcome

Salud Amigos...!!:D

[Ron Hill]

I don't know what our 380 Ray Laser weighed. Greg Foster said the bottom was good. I put a straigh edge on it, and the bottom was flat. With a 260 HP or S-3000 no one really wanted to drive it. I think keeping the speed to about 80 with two in the boat would make lots of sense.

The boat is a handful with these EFI motors, might handle better with cable steering, but we never had cable. The boat is currently in Greg Foster's garage in Havasu, looking for a HOME!

http://www.boatracingfacts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4009&page=3 Still looks like this.

[Ron Hill]

If I understand the Enduro rules correctly, CJ Baker will be driving Greg Foster and Mine's 380 Ray Laser.

[Bill Gohr]

I don't know what our 380 Ray Laser weighed. Greg Foster said the bottom was good. I put a straigh edge on it, and the bottom was flat. With a 260 HP or S-3000 no one really wanted to drive it. I think keeping the speed to about 80 with two in the boat would make lots of sense.

The boat is a handful with these EFI motors, might handle better with cable steering, but we never had cable. The boat is currently in Greg Foster's garage in Havasu, looking for a HOME!

http://www.boatracingfacts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4009&page=3 Still looks like this.

No one asked me to drive it, I'm all about that boat, I had Joe Burgess' 380

[Bill Gohr]

Thats Joes boat when I first got it

[Dabull1919]

So Bill, What ever happened to that boat?

[Bill Gohr]

I sold that boat to pat eves in florida, he rope raced it for a while, and then I really don't know where it went, it was painted red white and blue last time i saw it. That one I wished I still had

[Ron Hill]

We wouldn't need a co driver for the April Race, but I'm sure we'd have a seat open for the middle "RIDE" at the Enduro. At this time I'm not putting hydraulic steering in, so I'm sure CJ Baker would like some rest.

[Smokin' Joe]

We wouldn't need a co driver for the April Race, but I'm sure we'd have a seat open for the middle "RIDE" at the Enduro. At this time I'm not putting hydraulic steering in, so I'm sure CJ Baker would like some rest.

Reminds me. We probably crossed paths other than at Havasu in 1983. I spent a weekend with Fred Bowden and Frau. We went to a race somewhere, I nearly froze in bermuda shorts and no jacket. It was supposed to be June, I think. Afterward, party around the pool at the Eliminator owner's house. Benefit for a driver who'd ruined an arm in a race, a gambler. Al Stoker and I walked around the pool taking pledges. I learned from Chuck Skelton last Jan. that he was the cook and that the guy was his daughter's then-boyfriend. I guess you were there, and I hope I haven't told this before! Bowden asked me on the way to his house 'What's your angle?' and I didn't have the guts to say 'I want to drive for you in Tx.' I think the race was won by someone running an STV, and Bowden beat Al one heat. I sanded a lot of roughness off his gearcase and bottom beforehand. I enjoyed talking with Al's mother and dad.

[Ron Hill]

You mentioned a "COLD RACE". June in California???? Only place that is cold in California in June is San Diego, and I don't recall as SD race that year.

The party was for Kim Howard, who had lost an arm as a result of a collision on the first lap, and the Parker Enduro. Kim had always "PLAYED THE PONIES" but after his accident he played them full time. I guess, if you hit the county fairs and such, and listen and think, you can make money betting horses. Ted May used to win at the races, but he was dating a lady that worked for the "WIRE SERVICE" and he knew when the "FIX" was in. After "BOOTS" left that job, Ted quit "PLAYING" the horses.

The party was at Sandy Gilcrest's house in Orange Park Acres (A horse community in Orange County, California). I live about a mile from Sandy's old house, in NON horse land! Sandy was Bob Leach's partner at Eliminator, but he'd made his money in home mortgages. After he left Eliminator, he went back to the mortgage business and is still in that business in Newport Beach, CA.

Kim and I both had new Sleek Craft Boats for the Enduro. After Kim Howard's accident, my son, Chad, asked me to quit racing. I did. I've never regretted quitting.

[Smokin' Joe]

You mentioned a "COLD RACE". June in California???? Only place that is cold in California in June is San Diego, and I don't recall as SD race that year.

The party was for Kim Howard, who had lost an arm as a result of a collision on the first lap, and the Parker Enduro. Kim had always "PLAYED THE PONIES" but after his accident he played them full time. I guess, if you hit the county fairs and such, and listen and think, you can make money betting horses. Ted May used to win at the races, but he was dating a lady that worked for the "WIRE SERVICE" and he knew when the "FIX" was in. After "BOOTS" left that job, Ted quit "PLAYING" the horses.

The party was at Sandy Gilcrest's house in Orange Park Acres (A horse community in Orange County, California). I live about a mile from Sandy's old house, in NON horse land! Sandy was Bob Leach's partner at Eliminator, but he'd made his money in home mortgages. After he left Eliminator, he went back to the mortgage business and is still in that business in Newport Beach, CA.

Kim and I both had new Sleek Craft Boats for the Enduro. After Kim Howard's accident, my son, Chad, asked me to quit racing. I did. I've never regretted quitting.

Yeah, Kim Howard. Drove a brown boat/Merc at Havasu, I think. I remembered the name Sandy after I wrote. Chuck said there was an
Eliminator in the pool. Were you there, and have I told this before? Had to be June or July, Fred had come to Del Rio to run and announced the
event. I think we could see the mountains from the lake but am not sure. I quit after 1977-85 because I thought I'd been lucky. Two bad accidents
where other boats hooked and ran beneath me. I didn't get hurt but they did.

[Bill Gohr]

We wouldn't need a co driver for the April Race, but I'm sure we'd have a seat open for the middle "RIDE" at the Enduro. At this time I'm not putting hydraulic steering in, so I'm sure CJ Baker would like some rest.

I'd be in, put cable steering in it

[Ron Hill]

Yeah, Kim Howard. Drove a brown boat/Merc at Havasu, I think. I remembered the name Sandy after I wrote. Chuck said there was an
Eliminator in the pool. Were you there, and have I told this before? Had to be June or July, Fred had come to Del Rio to run and announced the
event. I think we could see the mountains from the lake but am not sure. I quit after 1977-85 because I thought I'd been lucky. Two bad accidents
where other boats hooked and ran beneath me. I didn't get hurt but they did. Over the years I had done a lot of prop work for Kim Howard. He raced SJ before he ran MOD VP. You can see all kinds of mountains in Orange county. It is warm, clear and beautiful here! That's why about 11 zillion people live in SoCal. Irvine Lake is 5 miles from my house. You can see "FOOTHILLS" all around us, but the mountains aren't very far...